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	<title>Comments on: Extremes</title>
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		<title>By: osborne</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-4960</link>
		<dc:creator>osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw a report of testing a 540G SGA by the Solaris Internals guys. No real data (they didn't say how much was buffer cache vs. shared pool) but here's a link anyway.

http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Application_Specific_Tuning


Kerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw a report of testing a 540G SGA by the Solaris Internals guys. No real data (they didn&#8217;t say how much was buffer cache vs. shared pool) but here&#8217;s a link anyway.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Application_Specific_Tuning" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.solarisinternals.com');" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarisinternals.com/wiki/index.php/Application_Specific_Tuning</a></p>
<p>Kerry</p>
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		<title>By: osborne</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-3336</link>
		<dc:creator>osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the 24MB 9.2 database at least stayed up. But still, 16MB is the new record! 

By the way, I really don't like AMM (I think it is an acronym for "Automatic Memory Messer-upper"). Even in 11g, it still seems to way over-allocate the shared pool on top of the occasional flurries of re-allocations. Seems like a feature that has lot's of problems but doesn't provide much benefit to most systems.

Kerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the 24MB 9.2 database at least stayed up. But still, 16MB is the new record! </p>
<p>By the way, I really don&#8217;t like AMM (I think it is an acronym for &#8220;Automatic Memory Messer-upper&#8221;). Even in 11g, it still seems to way over-allocate the shared pool on top of the occasional flurries of re-allocations. Seems like a feature that has lot&#8217;s of problems but doesn&#8217;t provide much benefit to most systems.</p>
<p>Kerry</p>
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		<title>By: Tanel Poder</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-3330</link>
		<dc:creator>Tanel Poder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10.1 data warehouse on a 24GB RAM machine - 16 MB of buffer cache.

This was 10.1.0.3 I think with SGA_TARGET set to 8GB. However the shared pool kept growing at the expense of buffer cache due some bug and eventually used almost all of SGA_TARGET, leaving only 1 x 16MB granule for buffer cache - and the instance crashed a while later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10.1 data warehouse on a 24GB RAM machine - 16 MB of buffer cache.</p>
<p>This was 10.1.0.3 I think with SGA_TARGET set to 8GB. However the shared pool kept growing at the expense of buffer cache due some bug and eventually used almost all of SGA_TARGET, leaving only 1 x 16MB granule for buffer cache - and the instance crashed a while later.</p>
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		<title>By: osborne</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-2550</link>
		<dc:creator>osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New record! Last week I just saw a 9.2 database with a 24M buffer cache.

Kerry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New record! Last week I just saw a 9.2 database with a 24M buffer cache.</p>
<p>Kerry</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Osborne&#8217;s Oracle Blog &#187; Blog Archive Building Slow Development Systems (On Purpose) - Kerry Osborne’s Oracle Blog</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-2057</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Osborne&#8217;s Oracle Blog &#187; Blog Archive Building Slow Development Systems (On Purpose) - Kerry Osborne’s Oracle Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] actually built some databases with 32M buffer caches (the one I mentioned in this previous post on Buffer Cache Extremes was one of his). He went so far as to say that he thought that developers should be using [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] actually built some databases with 32M buffer caches (the one I mentioned in this previous post on Buffer Cache Extremes was one of his). He went so far as to say that he thought that developers should be using [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-1822</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 21:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dallas,

I'm curious--what statistics did you use to determine that 50G of keep is better than 0?

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dallas,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious&#8211;what statistics did you use to determine that 50G of keep is better than 0?</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Yavor</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-1806</link>
		<dc:creator>Yavor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 12:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>160 MB for Oracle e-business suite database in production :)
The implementer of EBS did not send any dba to that site, so they found a place in the docs that states 160 MB as a minimum and used the number as an recomendation. They called me 1 month after the database went in production, to spped the things up. At that time they had 8 GB of (mainly free) physical memory and have placed an order for 8 more, hoping that adding more memory will help. 
Well, it was a problem with too little memory, indeed :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>160 MB for Oracle e-business suite database in production :)<br />
The implementer of EBS did not send any dba to that site, so they found a place in the docs that states 160 MB as a minimum and used the number as an recomendation. They called me 1 month after the database went in production, to spped the things up. At that time they had 8 GB of (mainly free) physical memory and have placed an order for 8 more, hoping that adding more memory will help.<br />
Well, it was a problem with too little memory, indeed :)</p>
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		<title>By: osborne</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-1729</link>
		<dc:creator>osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I remember the big,mediuum,small settings, back before there was even an spfile. It's funny how some of those things get carried along, like an 11g database with _spin_count set (carried forward for 10 years and no one knows why anymore). 

120G is impressive. Did it work well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I remember the big,mediuum,small settings, back before there was even an spfile. It&#8217;s funny how some of those things get carried along, like an 11g database with _spin_count set (carried forward for 10 years and no one knows why anymore). </p>
<p>120G is impressive. Did it work well?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Lewis</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Lewis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 20:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In descending order of size:
120GB, 80GB, 64MB.

The 64MB was a few years ago. The machine had 8GB of RAM, but they weren't an Oracle site and didn't have a DBA.  

Remember how Oracle used to ship an init.ora file with things like:
# db_block_buffers = 8000     # big
# db_block_buffers = 4000     # medium
# db_block_buffers = 2000     # small.

Well they read the file and decided that their database was big, so ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In descending order of size:<br />
120GB, 80GB, 64MB.</p>
<p>The 64MB was a few years ago. The machine had 8GB of RAM, but they weren&#8217;t an Oracle site and didn&#8217;t have a DBA.  </p>
<p>Remember how Oracle used to ship an init.ora file with things like:<br />
# db_block_buffers = 8000     # big<br />
# db_block_buffers = 4000     # medium<br />
# db_block_buffers = 2000     # small.</p>
<p>Well they read the file and decided that their database was big, so &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Log Buffer #146: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; Pythian Group Blog</title>
		<link>http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/2009/05/extremes/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>Log Buffer #146: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs &#124; Pythian Group Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Osborne was playing with numbers too, in his own way&#8212;pointing out some extremes in buffer cache sizes, and asking for his readers&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Osborne was playing with numbers too, in his own way&#8212;pointing out some extremes in buffer cache sizes, and asking for his readers&#8217; [...]</p>
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